Jude Exposes and Refutes Paul

The very short one chapter book of Jude is almost an entirely devoted to the excoriation and rebuke and exposing of Paul and Pauline doctrine, acts, writings. I count at least 21 references and rebukes of Paul, as follows:

Jude, from the New International Version (NIV)

1 Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ:

2 Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

3 Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people. [Such as the 12 Apostles. “once for all entrusted” implies it needed no correction by Paul.] 1

4 For certain individuals [Paul was an individual] 2

whose condemnation was written about long ago [Paul fulfills the Benjamite prophecy https://jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/121-benjamite-wolf-research.html
and fulfills the Habakuk Prophecy: https://jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/284-habakkuk-prophecy-about-paul.html and fulfills all of Jesus’s prophecies about false prophets] 3

have secretly slipped in among you [Paul, as per Deuteronmy 13:1-6]. 4

They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality [Paul taught freedom from the law] 5

and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.[Paul contradicts Jesus many times: https://jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html] 6

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. [Paul’s Church’s he founded based on “freedom from the law” are bad fruit. Proof: 1 Corinthians 5 “It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife.”] 7

They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8 In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams [Paul’s visions 2 Corinthians 12:1 [I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord.] 8

these ungodly people pollute their own bodies [Paul preaches it’s ok to eat food sacrificed to idols, from 2-4 times],

reject authority [Paul rejected the other apostles’ authority Galatians 2:6 “And from those who seemed to be influential (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no partiality)—those, I say, who seemed influential added nothing to me.”] 9

and heap abuse on celestial beings [Paul cursed angels Gal 1:8 “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.”. The Angels actually did preach something different, they affirmed the words of Jesus who said to not believe visions of Jesus in the wilderness, and said that Jesus would return the way he left in Acts 1:9-11, physically.] 10

9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”

10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them. [Paul slandered the Apostles as “super apostles” who “added nothing to him” in Galatians and 2 Corinthians, even though he would know nothing about Jesus without their testimony and gospels; and Paul never quotes from the gospels nor mentions any of the Parables of Jesus!] 11

11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error [Paul admitted he robbed Churches, and twice preached the law about oxen to solicit donations. 2 Corinthians 11:8 I robbed other churches by accepting support from them in order to serve you.]; 12

they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.

12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. [Paul taught ministers are worthy of a double portion. 1 Timothy 5:17 The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.] 13

They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. [Paul boasted about being brought near to death many times, as somehow proof he was approved, not disapproved.] 14

13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever. [This condemnation is like Matthew 23, the harsh words of Jesus for the other Pharisees. Paul was a Pharisee.] 15

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones

15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders [Paul was indeed a grumbler and faultfinder, and accused and condemned Peter for merely eating with Jews in Galatians 1-2, Paul said those who circumcised should go all the way and castrate themselves in Galatians 5:12, and Paul said in 1 Tim 4:1-4 that those who claim to abstain from certain foods have abandoned the faith ]; 16

they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves [Paul boasts about boasting tremendously] 17

and flatter others for their own advantage. [Paul starts out flattering the Thessalonians, and then boasts about not using flattery: 1 Thess 1:7 And so you became a model to all the believers in Macedonia and Achaia. 1 Thessalonians 2:5 You know we never used flattery, nor did we put on a mask to cover up greed—God is our witness. Then, audatiously and faultfindingly, he disses the Thessalonians in Acts 17:11 “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. And to top it all off, Thessalonia (all asia) turned away from Paul: 2 Timothy 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia. 2 Timothy 4:11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark, and bring him with thee: for he is profitable to me for the ministry. 2 Timothy 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.] 18

17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. [Jesus warned about false prophets, fake signs and wonders, and those who see visions in the wilderness or in private. Matthew 23:24-27] 19

18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers [Paul regularly scoffs, scoff: definition: speak to someone or about something in a scornfully derisive or mocking way., providing great difficulty for Bible apologetics, example: Galatians 5:12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!, See especially Galatians chapters 1-2] 20

who will follow their own ungodly desires.”

19 These are the people who divide you, [Paul, at trial, specifically divided the judges to distract from the charges against him. Acts 23:6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” And many Pauline doctrines continually divide the Church to this day, such as the “once saved always saved” or “eternal security” debate, the “predestination” debate, the “speaking in tongues” debate and on and on.] 21

who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,

21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

22 Be merciful to those who doubt;

23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

24 To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—

25 to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

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  1. Jason,

    It is clear that Biblical truth is of no interest or perceived consequence to you. Rather than listen to reason, you are now compounding your blasphemy by trying to pervert yet more of God’s Word.

    Jude does NOT “expose and refute” Paul. That is a flagrant lie. Again I note you are now quoting from yet another corrupt text, the NIV. Your first comments in your attack on Paul were from the ESV. Both are condemned texts because they are of the devil.

    Jude is not speaking of Pual in a negative sense but to reinforce his divinely inspired teachings. It is to YOU Jude is speaking but you are obviously too arrogant, blinded or so estranged from God, Who is Truth, to see it.

    As predicted, you are bringing out all manner of weak or non-Christians with unfathomable errors, New Age bunk, gross confusion and lies.

    Here are examples of what Jude says TO YOU and OF you:

    4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

    6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

    7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

    . . .

    10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

    11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

    12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

    13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

    17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    . . .

    22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

    23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

    24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

    25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.


    If you, as stated in v. 24, have not been kept from falling, and it is apparent that you have not, then you are none of His.

    You present yourself as a Christian but your acts betray your words.

    See Matthew Chapter 7. A good tree does not bring forth rotten fruit.

    Get right with Him with Whom you will have to deal before it is too late. Jesus stands at your door and knocks as per Rev. 3:20. Hear it and open your door so that He may sup with you and you with Him.

    Yours in Christian love,

    Fenwick Charters, M.D.

    1. Great reply Doc. Jason is doing what his father did from the beginning…lie. Kabala

    2. Thank you Fenwick. I have been working on reporting to Jason about my refutation of the farcical claims at “jesuswordsonly.com”, which he stands on. Thank you for a fine overview.
      Something is very wrong with folks, like Jason, who have jumped on this absurd bandwagon of total apostasy. One thing seems obvious, which is that Jason has shallow understanding of scripture, and fails to understand the purpose of the law, as he likewise twists, exaggerates, and invents his own interpretations of scripture.
      People who claim they don’t believe in “works salvation”, yet, then promote the false doctrine of “obedience to the law for salvation”, are deceiving themselves and everyone they talk to about Jesus & scripture. Very sad.

  2. Fenwick Charters, M.D., it is overwhelmingly clear you are not interested in what the scriptures from the Old Testament, to Jesus, to Jude, has to say about Paul. Instead of presenting any reason, you slip right to false accusations, as if that even counts as debate. You proved wrong none of my points, and ignored everything I presented. That does not even count as a rebuttal, let alone refutation. The level of your argument is that of a kid on a playground who simply retorts “nope”. Upon second thought, your retort is slightly better than that. I think you said, “Paul is rubber and you are glue, what you say about him sticks to you.”

    1. jason, as soon as you quoted the NIV, a red flag went up for me. Your comments are very concerning. I think you should ask the Holy Spirit to reveal truth. You are treading on serious ground when you claim Pauls writings are apostate. That is half the new testament.

      1. Thank you for realizing this is a serious issue. It would be a serious mistake to view Paul as inspired by Jesus, if instead, he could not be, as Jesus fortold, would it not?

        5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

        23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

        24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

        25 Behold, I have told you before.

        26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

        I quote the NIV, because usually, people understand it better. The KJV, to many people, is as difficult to understand as Shakespear. If there are any significant differences in meaning in any of the verses I quote, well, that’s what the comments and debate is for. So far, nobody has even bothered to point out any specifics of any verses in question. You all just ignore the points, and run right to slandering me. Your slander, Rich, is that I should ask the Holy Spirit to reveal truth. He already did. This is why you have no truthful valid explanation for the things I’m sharing! That’s very much close to blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, when the Pharisees said that Jesus must be using the power of Satan to cast out devils. I’m not slandering anyone. I’m pointing out the words of Jesus, and how Jesus says we can’t believe Paul, based on the specifics of the circumstances of Paul’s vision.

    2. Jason, I’m sorry, but if you really are interested in the truth you need to take some basic courses on hermeneutics and biblical exegesis. And based on the gravity of what you are trying to persuade, you sure should be. You are obviously very smart and have just enough academic knowledge of the bible to fool yourself into thinking your argument is sound. You are missing the forest for the trees and trying to insert Paul behind every “bush” of scripture that contains some rebuke or warning to fit your thesis. You could make similar arguments about Jesus – as the pious religious leaders of the day did and many have since. Many simple facts and points have been made that make your supposition untenable, illogical, and worse than that calls into question the reliability and inspiration of the entire bible. But you are not stepping back and getting it! You are blindly plowing forward without engaging your heart and understanding how God uses cracked pots and the unexpected “My Ways Are Higher Than Your Ways” to fulfill his purposes. Paul fits right in with other examples throughout the Bible and he was INSTRUMENTAL (God’s Instrument) not only in the early church but the entire Christian Identity from the time of his ministry. I’m guessing you are going to have an encounter with Jesus just like Saul did one of these days..

      1. Hi Dan. That sounds like a really fancy way to say I’m stupid. I’ll grant you that right, but you need to prove it. As I proved my point with many sound scriptural arguments. If it is your argument that I have taken things out of context, I understand that you mean to say that the real context would change the plain meaning of the texts. If that is so, you sure do have an uphill battle. And it always works far better to actually prove your points with evidence, rather than wish your way to win the argument like a “cloud without water”. God’s ways are higher than our ways? I get that. But even God says “let us reason together, for though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as wool”. Try presenting reasons and arguments and not broad accusations with no evidence. I understand you think that Paul was “God’s instrument”. But you need to prove it. I have provided evidence that Paul was Satan’s Instrument. Try to prove my evidence as wrong, and then you can accurately call me stupid.

  3. My son is named Jude. Named after the book of Jude in the Bible. I always liked this book. My son is 11. But it was only in 2016 or so 3 years ago, that I learned that Paul was a false apostle.

  4. Jason,

    I submit you are not looking for “proof and reason.” It is now very clear that what you are doing emanates from a reprobate mind and that is the way you want it. I further submit that there is nothing that could be said to you that would change your mind because you do not want it changed. You are what you are. In both of these blasphemous articles you have written you offer no proof or substance but hypocritically demand the same of others. You are clearly cognitively dissonant at the least, a sower of deceit and division and mockery at the worst.

    What you are doing is described by Paul in Romans Chapter 1, vv. 17 – 28.

    “17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”

    The inspired Word of God is not a book of your private interpretation nor is it a book open to debate, about which you are warned in Romans 1. But this is what you are attempting to turn it into. Its truth is absolute and established for all eternity. It is NOT open to false analysis like some book of science or literature written by a questionable author and exists as a unified whole in which no one part contradicts any other part, not a humanly contrived text that can be picked apart as one pleases, accepting what one wants and denying the rest. There is a miraculous consistency to Scripture in both the Old and New Testaments even though they were written by many authors who were divinely inspired and over a span of approximately 1,500 years. Yet, there is neither asymmetry or dissonance.

    Do you really believe the account in Acts Chapter 16 where Paul and Silas advised the Philippian jailer in v. 31 how to be saved after the earthquake destroyed the jail is inconsistent with any part of the four Gospels? Can you not see this? Or is it that you do not WANT to see this?

    God does not say, “let’s make a deal.” No. He says, “this IS the deal.” Your option is to accept or reject, be obedient or disobedient, choose light or darkness.

    It is apparent that you have chosen the latter in each case because it satisfies your ego and arrogance.

    I am not your judge, God is. However, I am tasked with pointing out your errors which are disgraceful, profuse, dishonoring and unseemly. It is more than obvious that you are where you want to be and thus have been given over to darkness.

    You can profess Christ all you want but your “walk” betrays you. I note your persistent use of corrupt Bible texts, which I observe you have not addressed, picking your ammunition against the truth selectively. Did you read my note to you on your “Paul the fraud” blog where I showed you the error of the New World Order Bible versions, so-called? Just how do you expect truth to emanate from error?

    You are spoken of in II Cor.:3 – 4, But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    “4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

    Prov. 16:25 warns, “There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

    Many times in Scripture, both Old and New Testaments, we are told, “God is not mocked.” You may deceive mortals but you cannot deceive God. Your attempt to turn the very Word of God into a conjectural and vain philosophical tome open to debate and rejection and insult is heinous in God’s sight.

    Charles Finney was a prominent preacher in the 1800s who wrote incisively about the consequences of mocking God, “To mock God is to pretend to love and serve him when we do not; to act in a false manner, to be insincere and hypocritical in our professions, pretending to obey him, love, serve, and worship him, when we do not. . . . Mocking God grieves the Holy Spirit, and sears the conscience; and thus the bands of sin become stronger and stronger. The heart becomes gradually hardened by such a process.”

    When your conscience becomes, you are pretty well kindling just waiting for the fire.

    In Scripture mockery is a behaviour and attitude shown by the wicked (Psalm 1:1), by the enemy (Psalm 74:10), by the fool (Psalm 74:22), by the proud (Psalm 119:51; Isaiah 37:17), by the hater of knowledge (Proverbs 1:22; 13:1), and by the unteachable (Proverbs 15:12). Did Paul write any of this? NO.

    A mocker’s motives extend far beyond mere lack of judgment and understanding to making a conscious decision to corrupt God’s truth and therefore act to purposely do evil. Mockers are disobedient and eschew rebuke or correction. Mockers demonstrate little or no discernment. They are faithless and unwise. They are not teachable. They refuse to be brought from their self-imposed darkness into His marvellous light.

    Those who mock God will also mock those who attempt to point out the error of their ways. This you also have done. Examples of this abound in Scripture, again in both the Old and New Testaments. Jason, can you twist these facts around to “prove” Paul’s “fraudulence” and Jude’s rebuking of him?

    Mockery of God’s prophets was certainly not unknown (II Chron. 36:16). The prophet Jeremiah “became the laughingstock of all my people” and was mocked “in song all day long” (Lam. 3:14). Nehemiah was mocked by his enemies (Neh. 2:19). Elisha was mocked by the youths of Bethel (II Kings 2:23). And of course, the greatest and most blasphemous example of all mockery was that poured out without measure upon the Lord Jesus Christ on numerous occasions: by the ruler’s ‘minstrels and people’ when Jesus made his daughter whole (Matt. 9:24), by Herod and his soldiers (Luke 23:11), by the Roman soldiers (Mark 15:20; Luke 23:36), by a thief on a cross (Luke 23:39), and by the Jewish leaders who passed by the cross (Matt. 27:41), among other examples.

    I am not going to be baited by you into an ongoing debate. It is your conscious choice to reject Paul’s teachings and fill your mind with fables from the various corrupt Bible texts now a plague upon the land. But know this: there are serious consequences for wilfully twisting the truth of God and attempting to make it into a lie. Obvious examples are Adam’s and Eve’s disobedience and deception, Lot’s wife’s disobedience and Ananias and Sapphira’s deception and greed. All were severely punished.

    I shall leave you now to your own devices but first quote two verses, one which Paul wrote and well-known to even those with a very rudimentary knowledge of Scripture, and the second which was NOT written by Paul but by Moses although it is possible there may have been other contributors to the book although this particular verse was definitely of Mosaic origin and is far less well known to those in this century but not the 19th. when the profoundly used-of-God Jonathan Edwards so powerfully preached it in his gospel sermon, “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God,” the most important sermon ever preached on American soil. You would do well to read or listen because I doubt you have.

    “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
    — Gal. 6:7

    “To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.”
    — Deut. 32:35

  5. Fenwick Charters, M.D., first you mock me. Then you give a sermon against mocking. I hope you can understand why I find that all very unconvincing.

  6. Jason, why do you suppose the NIV eliminates Acts 8:37 from its version? Could it be that it is a confession of the faith in Jesus that God uses to impute perfect righteousness to the person confessing Christ as savior? Why was it offensive to the writers of the NIV version to include verse # 37? “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest (be baptized). And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” This omission is only one major reason why we should not rely on the NIV.

    I have to agree with Fenwick, concerning your take on Paul. After reviewing the “claims” at the site you gave us, and scripture relating thereto, so far, it appears that you do not rely on salvation through faith of the PURE Gospel of salvation by faith, according to Jesus’ clear introduction of saving faith in John 3:16 & 3:18, which Paul clearly did.

    The purpose of the law was NEVER “the way to attain eternal life & salvation”. It is faith in Jesus’ Gospel. We have nothing to offer God in “exchange” for so great a salvation, yet the battle rages on in the world, with anti-Christ folks, which appears to include yourself, teaching the condemning error of the Jews, which was to follow the law as the means of salvation, yet they conveniently excused themselves for their many transgressions under the law. Even our imperfect & irregular “obedience” is wholly insufficient to give us the right to attain eternal life.

    Since no person can be perfectly obedient to the law, this is the very reason that Jesus took on a human body, came to earth, and resolved this problem for all who would receive Him as THE ONE who perfectly fulfilled the law, and who was therefore qualified to die for the sins of the world. ALL men are corrupt in their flesh, and no good thing proceeds from the flesh, because “all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..”.

    As such, good believers in Christ will do their “reasonable service” (Rom. 12:1, 2) during their lives on earth, which includes voluntarily following the 600 plus commands of Scripture, without compulsion and without expectation of receiving the gift of eternal life as a reward for doing so.

    Barter & Trade for eternal life is NOT taught in scripture, yet, obedience to commands of scripture are part of a good Christian’s “reasonable service” to the Author and Finisher of our faith & salvation. However, our obedience in no manner serves to complete or secure the God’s Grace Gift of eternal life, which we can ONLY receive through simple faith in Jesus for His payment for ALL our debts.

    Of course, as stated by Paul in 1 Cor. 3:11-15, believers in Christ, which are those who have been perfected forever by Jesus Christ (Heb 10:14), shall have our works judged for reward &/or loss thereof, “yet they themselves shall be saved…”.

    1. You do not know my teaching on salvation, because that is not the topic of these articles. The topic here is whether Paul is a true apostle or not. And instead of deal with the scriptural evidence that I listed, you have resorted to a false accusation on my teaching of salvation, which you have not even quoted me on, but rather imagined out of your own head. I believe the words of Jesus, and the 12 Apostles on this matter.

      So that you can understand what you are doing, I’ll do it back to you, but less so. Do you teach that women must be silent in the Churches, as Paul taught? Do you teach that people who have been circumcised should go all the way and cut the entire thing off, as Paul taught? Do you teach that if we teach about abstaining from any food, that we have denied the faith are teaching doctrine of Devils? Note, I’m not accusing you of those things, as you have accused me. Be ashamed of yourself. Satan is the father of false accusations, see Revelation 12.

      1. Jason – The “teaching of salvation” is not yours or mine, so that’s important to begin this with. The teaching of salvation is throughout Scripture. The central theme of the entire Bible is that God rejects religion and man’s attempt to USE THE LAW AS THE MEANS TO APPROACH HIM.
        Because “The Just shall live by FAITH”! That’s Old Testament AND New Testament, which is the most powerful issue that you have overlooked.
        God used various people with various skills, throughout Biblical history, to give His word to you and me. Somehow this fact is lost by those who attempt to infer that the men chosen by God to give His word to us, were designated or appointed to do so, and that He chose to use ONLY ONE specific way of calling them. It is to place God into a tiny box to assume such, when you claim such as Paul was or was not this or that.
        Then you keep saying the 12 apostles, you must be including Judas, right? – since God did not “appoint a new apostle” by His specific word, right? Do you place some greater power on what the apostles did by choosing a new replacement for Judas, yet when it comes to Paul, you change the requirement?
        If we limit God to a specific method of giving His word to man, as you seem to keep inferring, then this is a stumbling block that you have yet to overcome.
        You seem to have an axe to grind concerning Paul’s inspired words, because you “think” they do not exactly fit with some other specific scripture. This is highly erroneous thinking by itself, again, since God is able to divulge His words and meanings using all types of men, in spite of their personalities and quirks, and even though they deny Him at times.
        Why do you place yourself in the position of establishing the parameters of confining us to such type of limitations when God does not?
        If you were correct when you claim that this or that was not stated by Jesus, then we would have no purpose AT ALL for John’s Gospel or any other words from ANY OTHER apostle. And, how can we trust the writings of others, who were not with Jesus? What about what Moses said? All the other books?
        If we relied on your narrow claims, we would never have had more than a few pages of Scripture, and ONLY those words that Jesus Himself spoke!
        But, even then, Jason, how can we be sure that Jesus said these words, if you single handedly remove ALL THE POWER OF GOD HIMSELF to preserve His truth for seekers ALONE, in the midst of Satan’s earth?
        ALL scripture is God breathed… or it is NOT, Jason!
        Your attempts to extricate the writings of Paul from legitimate Scripture are based on trivial reasons, especially after 12 or so years of debating atheists & evolutionists and reading reams of pages full of streams of “supposed contradictions” that they offer.
        Jason, there is NO ACTUAL problem with contradictions. The endless claims of such are simply based on a “zero to shallow grasp of Scripture/Bible doctrine”, which doctrine is the very Mind of Christ that God chooses to divulge to us.

        Everything Paul states is inspired by God, except for where he clearly states that it is his own thought, as in the case where he says that it is better to remain single, “unless you burn” (lust for sex).
        God did not abandon us to 2,000 years of confusion. It is man who corrupts the Word of God.
        God’s word is unfathomably deep.
        God uses all types of people to expand the meanings of what He/Jesus said. He chose to give truth to ALL who would diligently seek Him and His word, but we MUST diligently seek it.
        God used fishermen to give His word to us. God also chose to use the exact opposite of simple, uneducated men, when He chose one of the most brilliant men that He had ever caused to be used by Himself. That man, Paul, who came on the scene as a murderer, yet, was one who God chose to use for a number of apparent reasons that filled in the many gaps that were left by the fishermen’s simpler descriptions of God and His words & meanings.
        Paul brought us the very deep perspective of WHAT IS GRACE, and how the GRACE of God works.
        God apparently/ obviously used Paul because of Paul’s brilliance and unusually high level of education during this period of human history.
        Paul knew Greek & Hebrew languages & customs; and was a man “of letters”, highly educated in Science, History, Poetry, and most importantly – he understood the evil of Pharisaical laws, which were a perversion of The Law of God, and which the Pharisees EQUATED WITH THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and OTHER COMMANDS OF GOD given to us throughout Scripture.
        When you talk about “the law”, you perpetuate Pharisaical error by inclusion of their hundreds of laws, by inference. This is grave error.
        Today, Pharisee-ism is alive and well in the Church, because of the majority of Christians who err on the side of supporting law over grace, even though MILLIONS of Jews lost out on salvation, and millions of people who identify themselves as Christians, due to their insistence that they could prove themselves to God through keeping the law, albeit, when they do not even know what is “The Law” or Jewish laws, and ALL of them base their acceptance to God on THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL VERSIONS/INVENTIONS OF LAW.
        You are doing nothing more than adding to the dense confusion in the Church, as to what is “The Law” and what is “Grace”, and how the two cannot be combined to be presented to God, neither AS THE MEANS OF SALVATION, nor AS THE MEANS OF MAINTAINING SALVATION.
        Notwithstanding, the Church preaches that we cannot be saved by works, YET, SUBTLY TEACHES SOME FORM OF THE OPPOSITE, through Satanic deception and the human desire to have something personal to brag about with regard to attaining eternal life.
        Paul’s teachings on The Law include showing us that we are all hopeless sinners that has NO WAY TO ATTAIN RIGHTEOUSNESS BEFORE GOD, through The Law.

        As Paul stated clearly, his own Jewish brethren failed to attain the ONLY RIGHTEOUSNESS that God can accept as the prerequisite to attainment of eternal life, AND, ONLY God Himself was capable of IMPUTING that perfect righteousness to them.

        Do you not understand that the Jews have suffered throughout their entire history because of their choice to CHOOSE TO FOLLOW THE LAW, and that they have been severely disciplined by God FOR FAILURE TO SCRUPULOUSLY KEEP THE LAW AS THEY CLAIMED THEY WOULD? This is one of the main lessons of ancient Jewish history!

        The Law is/was a type of “school master” to show man his failures & NEED for The Savior.

        The book of Romans is regarded as the most profound writing in existence, yet you apparently have chosen to dismiss it as apostasy, while Paul stated clearly in Rom 12:1&2 that renewing the mind and keeping the law was MERELY REASONABLE SERVICE of the Christian!!! Do you get that? God EXPECTS us to follow the law, same as “yeah we establish the law”. Get it? It has not even 1/10th of 1% effect on our attainment of salvation! Why? Because no human can keep The Law!!!
        Do you think you are different, as you falsely claim that Paul abrogates the law, when in FACT, he is separating salvation from being dependent on the law, and IS ESTABLISHING THE USE OF THE LAW FOR REWARD, IN THE CHRISTIAN JUDGMENT OF WORKS and our attainment of reward & loss of reward based on our fulfilling our duty of REASONABLE SERVICE, as shown in: 1 Cor. 3:11-15.

        The meager questions that you and the apostates claim as showing “conflict” between valid Scripture and Paul’s writings are nothing compared to the supposed contradictions that have been posed to me by hundreds of atheists and evolutionists over the past 12 years or more,
        Jason, try again, will you please? Study Romans under a teacher, who speaks too fast, and has already left us to be with the Lord, Dr. Chuck Missler, whose recorded audio teachings of books (some both audio/video) are still on YouTube.
        Even if you began by hearing his first lesson of Romans, one of the most important books in Scripture & human history, and understand the history & principles he teaches therein, you’d do well.
        In the first lesson, he shows how Paul’s teachings LINK ALL SCRIPTURE TOGETHER.
        You need to pray for wisdom, because you are unfortunately making a mockery of God’s word, by trying to destroy the entire New Testament, by your removing a huge part of it, based on nothing more than “pick & choose assault”.
        All you come up with are these little false statements about very dense issues, as you feign their importance as being far above God’s ability to keep His word pure and undefiled by man’s evil.
        You make wild statements that preclude you from EVER becoming a teachable disciple of Jesus, because you KNOW that you can never come off of this dark horse you have chosen to ride. You “Jude exposes & refutes Paul”, yet it is YOU that inserts the name Paul, by mere assumption, which is based on your lack of knowledge.
        Dr. Chuck Missler’s audio recording of Romans would help you greatly, since in just his first introductory record lesson of about one hour, he gives much information that would help you immensely.
        Romans shows the great gulf between our iniquity and God’s perfect righteousness.
        God’s riches at God’s expense is GRACE.
        Grace teaches freedom from bondage to religion, which you appear to be deeply influenced by at this time.
        Paul wrote 14 Epistles, which expands on a highly pivotal principles, which I have not heard you promote as a deep constants of the New Testament.

        Yet, frequent mention of such constants from the beginning of Scripture are covered in future writings, but you do not make the connection.
        The statements at onlyjesuswords are all easily answerable for one who has a good grasp of ALL of Scripture, but for now, I see that you hold “venom” for Paul, but such is based on lack of knowledge of the Word, and as such, you are NOT seeking help, but only looking for converts to this apostasy.

        Just ONE example of how you err, you ignore or don’t know about the simple principle regarding how Paul is against women speaking in the assembly. Even though it may not be a huge issue, with many much more pressing issues for us to study, please consider how God Himself began human history by making a statement in keeping with Paul’s statement. I call your attention to that subject, which is one that’s uncomfortable for men and women to discuss, even today, and which you raise as an issue that indicates that Paul was wrong to speak on it, even when you SHOULD know the simple historical fact that God placed this curse on women in the garden, after the fall, and such curse was carried out by men throughout Biblical history, as relates to their subservient role in society. You ask me “Do you think it’s okay….”? What does it matter whether I “think” it’s okay or not? The real issue is “Do you know why it is what it is?”

        When God was laying out His curses to Adam and Eve, He included in His laying out the “curses” on men & women, the statement to Eve (Gen. 3:16): “I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND, AND HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE.”

        Also Jason, by indiscriminately dismissing all of Paul’s writings, you fail to see that Paul details the VERY CENTRAL THEME OF ALL OF SCRIPTURE, which Paul so painstakingly expanded on in FULL agreement with the Old Testament, as in: Habakkuk 2:4 – “THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH”.

        Again, ALL of your trivial challenges are only put forth based on a shallow grasp of doctrines from Scripture, which is THE Word of God, and it all complements itself, regardless of the books or the authors or the period in history.

        You are fighting against God, as is obvious by your need to continue challenging one book of the Bible after another, in order to bolster your challenge of long established Scripture, as if God Himself would have trouble getting His exact words to EVERY DILIGENT SEEKER.
        Repent (change your mind about grace & the law). Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
        Thank you.

        1. You ignored my first post entirely, and just continued to slander slander and slander me. When you slander me, I earn rewards in heaven, and you follow your master, which is Satan. Slander is not one of the tools of God’s people. Slander does not count as an argument. Slander, which is your invented lies about my beliefs about salvation, do not refute any of my scriptural arguments about what Jesus had to say about Paul.

          I think you fail to understand that Paul, under the teachings of Satan, can actually preach some truth. And so can you. This is so that they can get you to swallow their lies. Have you ever encountered a liar who tells many half truths? I have. This is how it is often done.

          I find it interesting that you claim I fail to appreciate the “depths” of Paul’s teachings. There is a word play on this, here: Revelation 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

          You also say my arguments are weak. Well, prove them wrong then, and deal with the evidence I have presented.

        2. Very well said. I thank you for your knowledge, understanding, and faithful effort to articulate all those points for all who may be following this unfortunate thread.

  7. I’m not sure how you can think that all of what the bible especially in the book of Acts shows the great things that Paul did in Jesus’ name would not name Paul by name as being a false prophet if he is one.

    Why would the bible not do that because of all of the influence Paul has on the church? Why would God not protect His church?

  8. Jason, you claim to show the FACTS. But the fact is that in Jude the name Paul is not there. YOU have added the name of Paul. Why did you not add another name, like Jason? Or Tom, or Bill or anyone else. When YOU are the one making up “STUFF” you might as well make it up right. Why don’t you use the name Micky Mouse? The truth is that you have an angry, hostile attitude to Paul.
    As I have said in an earlier post, the FRUIT of Paul’s teaching is that millions, upon millions, upon millions of people have come out of the gutters of life and have accepted the Messiah. Your FRUIT is anger, and hostility.
    If you are going to take any scripture and add names to it, then call it FACT(?) you have a real serious problem. I am glad I do not stand for you on judgment day. I have no idea how you can explain altering scripture to whatever you want.
    Remember, Peter was taught by the Messiah. Peter was filled with the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. And in 2 Peter 3: 14-17, it says, “2Pe 3:14  Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 
    2Pe 3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as ou; our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
    2Pe 3:16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 
    2Pe 3:17  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. ”
    So Peter says, “…our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; …” If you, Jason, are contrary to Peter, then you, sir, are the FALSE teacher. When you have the FRUIT of millions, upon millions, of people, then we MIGHT be able to have a sit down to discuss it. Until then, as far as I am concerned, you have an axe to grind that is outside the scope of scripture.
    All of your writings have anger and hostility. This puts them square in the middle of 1Jn_4:20 ” If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? ”
    Why don’t you try something new. Go back to Jude, and everywhere you have the name Paul, replace it with Jason. See how it reads. You have made up your own story and called it FACTS. Shame on you.

  9. I will just share what Peter says in 2Peter 3:10-18. Was Peter also part of this conspiracy? He seems to believe Paul had authority from God to teach in verse 15 in this passage…..

    10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
    11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
    14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

  10. The last two comments mentioned 2 Peter 3. This is very interesting.

    First, Peter is not higher than Jesus, who, as I already presented, commands us to not believe Paul. So there is utterly nothing Peter can say to force me to believe Paul.

    Second, why overlook 2 Peter 2? The entire chapter is a re-telling of Jude, which is my entire commentary above, which is nearly entirely dedicated to exposing and refuting Paul. So, 2 Peter 2 also exposes and refutes Paul.

    Third, 2 Peter 3:16 is hardly an endorsement of Paul, it specifically mentions bad fruit of Paul’s works, they cause men to stumble to their own destruction. “16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.”

    Fourth, while one of you suggested I simply insert my name whereever I insert Paul’s name, you are ignoring all of the evidence, and simply slandering me. Slander does not count as an argument. Those are the weasel words of Satan. Did I claim to have visions of Jesus in the wilderness? No. Paul did. Do I fulfill the Benjamine and Habukuk prophecies? No. And on and on. Jude applies to Paul, not me.

    Fifth, if 2 Peter 2 copies Jude entirely, then 2 Peter might not have been written by Peter at all. Some scholars call the entire book a forgery; and these are not saying that as any part of the argument to deny Paul; they simply can’t agree that the book is genuine. Acts is also written to boost Paul’s credibility, perhaps 2 Peter is a forgery designed to do the same. Best way to eliminate the words of the enemy is to “co-opt” them, as 2 Peter does with the words of Jude, which, as I have clearly presented, expose and refute Paul. Either way, Peter does not address, nor can Peter over rule or undo or refute the words of Jesus in Matthew 24; which directly command us to “believe it not” if someone hears from someone claiming “I am Christ” as Paul claimed he heard in the wilderness on the road to Damascus.

    The point, and you all miss the main point, is that there is a mountain of evidence against Paul, and it does not come from “Jason”. It comes from Jesus, and the other Apostles. You have been warned.

  11. The best way to find yourself on the winning side in any argument is that if ever you find that you are losing, change sides. Changing your mind to align with the truth is not only allowed, but encouraged. That’s kind of the entire point. People today seem to have forgotten that.

    1. I am also swayed by your evidence. When I read Pauls writings, i cant help see him as being kind of inflamatory. Kind of like modern day TV evangelists that have a followung of millions, that claim Jesus came and talked to them in their bedroom last night. There is always the other guy or gal on the stage nodding in agreement with every crazy thing that preacher says. I kind of see that person as maybe Timothy.

      So with that being said, i also view the responses from the other Apostles as trying to be as anti-inflamamatory as possible. They never call him an apostle that i can find. Brother, friend, etc, but never apostle. Paul and his people were the only ones that ever called Paul an apostle, that i could find. It seems to me the real apostles were trying to diffuse a bad situation and trying to do so without adding to the confusion.

      I also find it strange that during this time Jesus supposedly appeared to Paul, if Jesus was changing his doctrine, i would have thought he would have appeared to all 12. Or at minimum to Peter.

      When i read Paul now i see a lot of traits of a personality disorder/cult leader. Lots of “me” and “I” his doctrine, his churches, claiming divine
      revelation (specialness), with a secret doctrine only disclosed to him, arrest after arrest (for being a cult leader ironically), bragging, bragging cloaked in humility, convoluted logic, and not taking any responsibility for killing people. As a matter of fact he brags about being the worst, brags about being the pharisee of pharisees, etc, etc.

      If Paul did what he did today, we would all be calling him a cult leader. Dont we do that with Joseph Smith too? Look how “blessed” the mormon church appears. Same kinda story as Paul and his church is HUGE now.

      Just sayin’…

  12. Matthew 24:26
    “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

    Jason I think you start this belief off on the wrong assumption and are talking this to literal and way out of context.

    When Jesus said these words in Matthew 24:26 he was not meaning himself he was meaning false messiahs as in other people claiming to be the messiah as people did hear about Jesus in the desert and went out to see him and believed. Paul claims to of met the messiah as in the person of Jesus not another messiah Do you see what I mean?

    Jesus was not also meaning literally in the desert or the inner rooms the places are not the point the point was that people would hear of these false messiahs and they wood go to see them to see if they were the messiah which wouldn’t of been a rejection of Jesus

    Paul did not hear of Jesus and go to a place to see if he was the messiah Paul was in a place and Jesus the true messiah came to him thus Paul believed in the true messiah the person of Jesus. I hope that this helps you see this event in Paul’s life and Paul in another lite.

    1. Correction in my post above I meant to say it would of been a reject of Jesus I didn’t have my glasses on

    2. Martin Fox,
      Thank you for at least attempting to review my evidence. I think your attempt qualifies as an “epic fail”. You say, “he was not meaning himself”. So, I understand you are saying that while Jesus told us twice to “believe it not” in this passage, you expect me to believe it anyway, because YOU insert NEW WORDS and NEW CONTEXT, that “he was not meaning himself”, even though Jesus did not say those words? Wow. But Jesus did use those words, meaning himself. Jesus is the Christ. Jesus confirmed that. Jesus told us explicitly to not believe it if someone say “I am the Christ” out in the wilderness. That’s Jesus, saying to not believe it, if someone claims to be himself. Wow. Epic fail there. I don’t know why you can’t see that. You are literally resorting to invented lies to deny the words of Jesus. I’m glad I’m not you. And I hope you can understand why I find your babble unconvincing.

      5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

      23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

      24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

      25 Behold, I have told you before.

      26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

      1. You have confused me here let me explain
        Jesus is the true Christ the true messiah
        Jesus said that if anyone says that the Christ is out in the desert believe it not. Thus the one in the desert is not Jesus so who ever hears of this should not go out to see the false messiah.

        The reason is that it would of been a rejection of Jesus

        Paul is not guilty of this because Paul didn’t go out looking for the messiah the true messiah came to him.
        Paul didn’t go out to see or search for the false messiah Jesus came to him and this saved Cristian lives
        thus Paul is not guilty of Matthew 24:26

        1. I understand you are saying that since Paul did not tell people to go see Jesus in the desert, that Paul somehow does not fit the warning of Jesus.

          But the warning of Jesus does not say “This is a warning that only applies if the false prophet tells you to go to the wilderness, and if they don’t tell you that, then you can rest assured that I did, indeed appear to him.”
          Your interpretation requires the adding all of those words into the text, that the text does not say.

          What does the text say? It says “believe it not”, twice. We therefore cannot believe Paul’s report that Paul saw Jesus.

          Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

          24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

          25 Behold, I have told you before.

          26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

          Paul claimed he saw Jesus in the Desert, on the road to Damascus. Acts 9:1-19, Acts 22:6-21, Acts 26:12-18
          Paul claimed he received private revelations from Jesus, as “in the secret chambers”. Galatians 1:11-17, Acts 26:16
          Paul claimed to be an apostle, based on “great signs and wonders”. Acts 15:12, 2 Corinthians 12:12

          I covered this already in my first report. https://revealingfraud.com/2019/07/religion/the-apostle-paul-is-a-fraud-and-honesty-matters/

          AND THERE IS A LOT MORE EVIDENCE THAT PAUL IS FALSE. Pages and pages of proofs, such as at this page, where there are 21 warning in Jude, and apply directly to Paul, as I listed above. And there are 100 essays at jesuswordsonly.com

          1. No I’m not saying that at all what I’m saying is that Paul didn’t go out to see the false messiah the true messiah came to him. I didn’t say anything about Paull telling anyone to go and see the messiah in the desert.
            Jesus also didn’t warn people to not go out to the desert to see Him He warned them to not go out to the desert to see false messiahs

            You are mistaking what I am saying

          2. Prove that the true Messiah came to Paul. The Biblical standard is to let everything be established by 2-3 witnesses. Nobody witnessed what Paul experienced, and nobody testified about it. You are assuming what you need to prove.

  13. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:20). Tell us what are the bad fruits of Paul so that we may know that he is a “false apostle” and “false prophet”, otherwise, it your opinion only and you have no proof that a “false Christ” appeared to Paul. If Paul had thought that Jesus had not come in the flesh, he would not have advocated our, “Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body” (2 Corinthians 4:10)

  14. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them” (Matthew 7:20). Tell us what are the bad fruits of Paul so that we may know that he is a “false apostle” and “false prophet”, otherwise, it is your opinion only and you have no proof that a “false Christ” appeared to Paul. If Paul had thought that Jesus had not come in the flesh, he would not have advocated our, “Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body” (2 Corinthians 4:10)

    1. I listed some of Paul’s bad fruits above. But there are so many, probably at least 25 or so, because he contradicts Jesus about that many times, or more, maybe.

      1. Paul teaches against the law, even going so far as to say that if you obey it, you are following doctrines of devils.

      2. Paul teaches it’s ok to eat foods sacrificed to idols, which is a doctrine Paul teaches 4 times, which is rebuked in Revelation 2.

      3. Many preachers get the idea of “once saved always saved” from Paul, even though there are far more warnings about abandoning the faith.

      4. As listed above; sexual immorality: Verse 7 from Jude, and Paul’s own admission: 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. [Paul’s Church’s he founded based on “freedom from the law” are bad fruit. Proof: 1 Corinthians 5 “It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife.”] 7

      1. I don’t have a lot of time right now, but today, I will address your point # 1 and will address the others another day when I have more time.

        Jason, you state:
        1. Paul teaches against the law, even going so far as to say that if you obey it, you are following doctrines of devils.

        Here is proof that you are wrong and are misrepresenting Paul’s teachings: “Do we then make void the Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the Law” (Romans 3:31); “Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid” (Galatians 3:21); What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the Law: for I had not known lust, except the Law had said, Thou shalt not covet” (Romans 7:7); “The Law is holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good” (Romans 7:12).

        Paul’s teaching that “that a person is not justified by the works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ” (Galatians 2:16) is not against the Law, but against legalism (the conviction that Law keeping is the ground of our acceptance and justification by God). Paul is not saying that if you obey the Law, you are following doctrines of devils, but that you are following doctrines of demons if you obey the Law thinking that you are saved by the Law and by your works and not by faith in Christ and the faith of Christ.

        You need to read Paul’s teaching of being “under the Law” in context in the Book of Romans and the whole of Paul’s writings. Paul’s teaching of being “under the Law” (Romans 3:19) is being under the condemnation of the Law or being under “the curse of the Law” and its penalty. The curse of the Law is sin and the penalty of sin is death.

        “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole” (Galatians 3:13). Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law which is sin, by taking our sins upon Himself, by becoming sin for us, and by becoming cursed for us, by suffering our second death for us on the Cross.

        Are you justified by the Law Jason or are you justified by faith in Christ? Romans chapters 7 and 8 detail Paul’s struggles and failures to keep the Law in his own strength, through his flesh, and the freedom from sin and the victory only obtained through Jesus Christ: “O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the Law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” (Romans 7: 24, 25 – 8:1,2).

        Many Christians have believed that the Law serves only to pass condemnation on us, and that once Jesus has given us a legal covering of “declared Righteousness”, the need for the Law vanishes. But, in reality, in the view of the born again believer, the Law changes its posture and its means of working . It moves from external to internal, from a statement of what one must do to a description of what a loving person will do when bonded to JESUS CHRIST through Faith. The Phillips translation of Romans 3:31 puts it this way: “Are we then undermining the Law by this insistence on Faith? GOD forbid: we establish the Law and put the Law in its proper place.” (Romans 3:31 Phillips). True Faith acknowledges and understands that the proper place of the Law, of course, is written in the heart for the Law is an expression of GOD, Himself, an expression of His character and a restatement of His values. Those who adoringly behold JESUS CHRIST will become like Him—in their hearts, in their thoughts, and in their lives because, through GOD’s Word, His Spirit of Life dwells in them. (John 6:63).

        Jason, you are viewing the apostle Paul through the flesh and not through a mind transformed and renewed by the Spirit of God. “Be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God” (Romans 12:2).

        1. It is my contention that Paul is a hypocrite. He does not do what he says. He on the one hand preaches to establish the law, and on the other hand, preaches to tear down the law. Very confusing. And people can thus glean what their itching ears like to hear. I am NOT viewing Paul through the flesh, I’m viewing Paul through the words of Jesus, and in this article, Jude, which exposes Paul. Paul did, indeed, teach that obedience to the law is the equivalent to abandoning the faith, and he taught that multiple times. I quoted this in my article above: 1 Timothy 4:1-4 King James Version (KJV)
          4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

          2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

          3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

          4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

          You wrote: “1. Paul teaches against the law, even going so far as to say that if you obey it, you are following doctrines of devils.

          Here is proof that you are wrong…”

          Quoting Paul, where Paul contradicts what he said, does not prove me wrong. It only proves Paul is a hypocrite. It also proves Paul as a liar. Paul explicitly said he would become as a Roman to win the Romans, and as a Jew to win the Jews.

          This is so damning to both Paul, and your attempt to support Paul, that you have to add words to Paul: “Paul is not saying that if you obey the Law, you are following doctrines of devils, but that you are following doctrines of demons if you obey the Law thinking that you are saved by the Law and by your works and not by faith in Christ and the faith of Christ.”

          Yes, he did. “doctrines of devils” “and commanding to abstain from meats”. Jesus upholds this commandment to abstain from certain meats, those sacrificed to idols, in Revelation 2:

          Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

          Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

          So. Is it your argument that Jesus is Rev 2 is the devil for teaching to abstain from certain meats? Because they can’t both be right. Is it your argument that Paul can make the words of Jesus void? I’m really curious how you would resolve this contradiction, among many others.

          I simply throw out Paul, and believe Jesus over Paul, for hundreds of other reasons, too.

  15. Jason, here is a passage that came to me for you:
    Proverbs 2:1-6
    My son, if you will accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your HEART to understanding. If you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, looking for it as for silver and searching for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord gives wisdom and out of his mouth comes knowledge and understanding.

    1. I am merely accepting and obeying these commands of Jesus:

      23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

      24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

      25 Behold, I have told you before.

      26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

      These, and many more words of Jesus, apply to Paul:

      Paul claimed he saw Jesus in the Desert, on the road to Damascus. Acts 9:1-19, Acts 22:6-21, Acts 26:12-18
      Paul claimed he received private revelations from Jesus, as “in the secret chambers”. Galatians 1:11-17, Acts 26:16
      Paul claimed to be an apostle, based on “great signs and wonders”. Acts 15:12, 2 Corinthians 12:12


      1. You keep saying this but this isn’t true Paul did not tell anyone to go and see the messiah in the desert the messiah came to him

          1. Of course the warning still applies I did say otherwise but not about Paul

            There was another reply to you on my site

  16. Acts 9:3-9
    3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
    5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
    “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
    7 The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

    There were witnesses but you refuse to believe the bible. There is truth outside of the bible these two people traveling with Paul did hear and did not see and would of told people of what happened.

    Moses didn’t have any witnesses when he talked with God do you believe in his testimony?

    You are cherry picking what you believe in the bible

  17. Jason, you are committing the sin of presumption. For you to take the warnings of Jesus or Jude and apply them to Paul when they never mention Paul’s name is not only presumptuous, but disingenuous as well, in that you twist some of the things that Paul says that are hard to understand in order for you to justify in your confused mind calling Paul a false apostle and prophet and a hypocrite. The same application that you make to Paul from Jesus’s or Jude’s words can be applied to you from the apostle Peter who calls you “unlearned and unstable”: “our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:15,16). This Scripture is justifiably applied to you, making you the false apostle and prophet and hypocrite.

    What have you done to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ as compared to Paul who suffered immensely for the sake of the gospel that our resurrected, ascended, and glorified Lord Jesus Christ had given him? Paul endured many unspeakable beatings, stonings, shipwrecks, imprisonments, and deprivations. Paul’s experience had been one of poverty, self-denial, and suffering. Notwithstanding constant misrepresentation, reproach, and abuse, by which his enemies had endeavored to intimidate him, he had fearlessly held aloft the standard of the cross. Like his Master, he had been a homeless wanderer, and like Him, he had lived to bless humanity and finally his life was even taken from him, but not before he made an impassioned plea to a wondering multitude of Jews, Greeks, Romans, with strangers from many lands the banner of the cross in an intense desire for their salvation. Paul had often been accused of being a “nobody,” someone not worthy of being honored as an apostle. The numerous trials Paul was willing to go through for the sake of the Body of Christ demonstrated that he was a very faithful servant of Jesus Christ. In fact, he was more of a servant of Christ than all those put together who are condemning him! No false apostle would have ever endured that much mistreatment. That includes all the anti-Paul people today within and without Christendom!

    Using your methodology, Jason, Jesus’s words about it being harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, and His other teachings about seeking worldly riches first rather than the Kingdom and the Righteousness of God can also be applied to Jason Hommel, naming you as a false apostle and prophet and hypocrite for encouraging others in greed, pride, and laziness by enticing them with riches by investing in highly leverage gold and silver speculations. In your judgment of Paul, you are flaunting the admonitions of Jesus, Himself, who says, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged” (Luke 6:37) and “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment (John 7:24). Indeed, if you do not repent of your false attacks on Paul, Jesus may have to again stoop down and begin writing in the dust here on earth for all to see the sins of those falsely accusing Paul before He rises up to proclaim, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a(nother) stone”.

    1. Jay, your hypocrisy is evident in that according to your false double standard, I can’t apply scriptural warnings about Paul, because Paul is not named directly, yet you give yourself the liberty to apply scriptures to me, when the scriptures do not name me, either.

      But your logic fails ultimately, because Paul is named in scripture, in other places, in other ways. You will see it if you study more. I linked to one such article that points this out: https://jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/284-habakkuk-prophecy-about-paul.html

      You further demonstrate your ignorance by claiming that since Paul suffered, he must be a true servant. This is also not the standard of a true apostle. Did all the dead martyrs for Christ agree with each other in theology? Of course not. So some martyrs are true, and some are not. Thus, suffering and dying is no proof of correct theology.


    Those who teach that Paul contradicted the teachings of Jesus claim that Paul taught that it was OK to eat meat offered to idols in Romans 14, 1 Corinthians 8, and 1 Corinthians 10.

    Is this correct?

    To begin, it is important to remember that Paul was present at the Jerusalem counsel (Acts 15) and was one of the supporters of the decision made to exhort the Gentiles not to eat food offered to idols.
    22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch WITH PAUL and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:

    23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
    24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
    25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you WITH OUR BELOVED BARNABAS and PAUL,
    26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
    28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
    29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
    Notice that Paul is mentioned in this letter (the letter encouraging the Gentiles not to eat things offered to idols) along with Barnabas as beloved and men who had hazarded thier lives for the name of the Lord Jesus.

    Notice that James, along with the other apostles, and the elders, endorsed Paul in this letter to the Gentiles. With this in mind let’s consider Paul’s teachings in Romans 14, 1 Corinthians 8, and 1 Corinthians 10.

    Does Paul teach the Gentiles to eat things offered to idols?

    FIRST, there is nothing in Romans 14 about meats offered to idols. Romans 14 is addressing meat or food, which is offensive to another brother. The teaching by Paul is to abstain from offending your brother by what you eat.

    Those who claim that Paul is teaching it is OK to eat meat offered to idols in Romans 14 are carelessly proof-texting to support their claims. Paul’s exhortation in Romans 14 is most likely within a Jewish/Gentile context as Paul addresses the two cultural backgrounds throughout the book of Romans.

    SECONDLY, Paul does not teach his followers to eat meat offered to idols in 1 Corinthians 8, nor is he promoting such practices.

    Paul is actually teaching the Corinthians to walk in brotherly love and not to use their liberty in Christ as an occasion for offending a brother or sister who is weak in their faith. Paul instructs the Corinthians to refrain from eating things offered to idols so they don’t damage the conscience of others.

    Paul makes it clear that food – in and of itself – has no value with regards to our relationship with God because there is only one true God and he is the creator of all things. However, not all possess this liberating knowledge, and for the sake of those whose consciences are weak, Paul admonishes the Corinthians to refrain from foods which are offered to idols so as not to wound another believer’s conscience.
    Paul continuously teaches the Gentile brethren not to eat food offered to idols, not because of superstitious reasons, but out of love for others. Love is the right motive in everything.

    Throughout the book of 1 Corinthians, Paul repeatedly addresses the importance of abstaining from idolatrous practices.

    In 5:10-11, Paul tells the Corinthians not to keep company with a person who is called a brother if he engages in idolatrous practices.
    In 6:9 he tells them that idolaters have no part in the Kingdom of God.
    In 10:7 he tells them not to be idolatrous like the Israelites who fell in the wilderness.

    In 12:2 he reminds them that they were previously Gentiles who were carried away by dumb idols.

    Paul certainly would not have warned the Gentile believers against idolatry and then turned around and taught them to eat things offered to idols.

    It is ironic that some use 1 Corinthians to support their claim that Paul taught that it was OK to eat things offered to idols. On the contrary, Paul very specifically instructs the Corinthians to NOT to do such things.

    FINALLY, Consider the following from 1 Corinthians 10:18-33. I have chosen the NLT for clarity.

    18 Think about the people of Israel. Weren’t they united by eating the sacrifices at the altar?
    19 What am I trying to say? Am I saying that food offered to idols has some significance, or that idols are real gods?
    20 No, not at all. I am saying that these sacrifices are offered to demons, not to God. And I don’t want you to participate with demons.
    21 You cannot drink from the cup of the Lord and from the cup of demons, too. You cannot eat at the Lord’s Table and at the table of demons, too.
    22 What? Do we dare to rouse the Lord’s jealousy? Do you think we are stronger than he is?
    23 You say, “I am allowed to do anything” —but not everything is good for you. You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is beneficial.
    24 Don’t be concerned for your own good but for the good of others.
    25 So you may eat any meat that is sold in the marketplace without raising questions of conscience.
    26 For “the earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
    27 If someone who isn’t a believer asks you home for dinner, accept the invitation if you want to. Eat whatever is offered to you without raising questions of conscience.
    28 (But suppose someone tells you, “This meat was offered to an idol.” Don’t eat it, out of consideration for the conscience of the one who told you.
    29 It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the other person.) For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks?
    30 If I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, why should I be condemned for eating it?
    31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.
    32 Don’t give offense to Jews or Gentiles or the church of God.
    33 I, too, try to please everyone in everything I do. I don’t just do what is best for me; I do what is best for others so that many may be saved.
    Paul’s words concerning food offered to idols, is that “food” – in and of itself – has no virtue, however, food which has been offered to idols ought not to be eaten out of love for others.
    – by Michael Battle, May 31, 2016

  19. Jason how does Paul being a false prophet to you change your views of the end time? I believe that you had some of his predictions in your end times theory

    1. I’ve been wondering that for about 3 years. I don’t think it changes anything, except that I can’t rely on Paul to teach pre trib. But there are plenty of other verses that teach it. The point in Deuteronomy 13 is that even if a prophet gives true prophecy, but if they teach against the law, that’s how we know they are false. In other words, the opposite is true. Paul may be false because of teaching against the law, but he might have true prophecy. Or, in other words, a person who is a murderer is still able to say 2+2=4, and that remains the truth, regardless of whether it’s expressed by a murderer. Conversely, simply saying something is true, does not mean one is not a murderer. In other words, anyone who argues that Paul is a true apostle, because Paul said something truthful, are not even remotely arguing correctly on whether we can trust that Paul spoke to Jesus or not.

      1. Doesnt the whole premise of rapture come from Paul. And didnt he even say when he taught it that some people in that very room wouldnt see death because of it? Im no expert, but im pretty sure they all died without seeing it.

  20. It is your own methodology in applying Scripture to Paul where and when he is not named that I am using to apply apropos Scriptures to you where and when you are not named and then you irrationally say I am using a double standard and call me ignorant for using your own methodology without your giving any defense of the charges of the Scriptures cited that implicate you in wrongdoing. It is not my logic, but your logic that fails ultimately because you take the places where Paul is named in Scripture and twist those Scriptures to put Paul in the worst possible light and you ignore completely other Scriptures concerning Paul that you can’t twist including those where Paul is well-spoken of by other apostles. That is hypocrisy and a real Babylonian double standard. Your irrational, hypocritical, and illogical arguments show you to be someone who always thinks he is right and can’t admit when he is wrong. You have either a borderline personality disorder or you are a narcissist, or both. I can’t say it any better than Dr. Charters said it in his comment to you above and that I quote here:

    “It is now very clear that what you are doing emanates from a reprobate mind and that is the way you want it. I further submit that there is nothing that could be said to you that would change your mind because you do not want it changed. You are what you are. In both of these blasphemous articles you have written you offer no proof or substance but hypocritically demand the same of others. You are clearly cognitively dissonant at the least, a sower of deceit and division and mockery at the worst.”

    Being intelligent is not a saving grace if you’re self-righteous because Lucifer was of the highest intelligence and he sought after his own righteousness and used his intelligence to deceive a third of the angels. Jason, you are using your God-given intelligence, not to increase the faith of others, but to make others more self-righteous, like you.

    You said, “suffering and dying is no proof of correct theology”. Jason, did Jesus’s suffering and dying prove His theology correct in saving you from your sins? Or are you still basking in them?

    1. “…I further submit that there is nothing that could be said to you that would change your mind because you do not want it changed.”

      Isnt that also what you are doing? Im not going to name call like Mr Charters did by saying you are reprobate, because we are spoonfed this doctrine from the very beginning, and its “unquestionable” to think, but Jasons questioning is very reasonable.

      Ive see verses to accuse Jason, but im seeing ZERO that refutes his position other than “ive been taught to understand these verses this way and i refuse to loom at them in any other light.” Which loops me back around to my first paragraph…arent you doing the. Very thing you are accusing Jason of?

  21. Right. Jesus dying on the cross did not prove his theology correct, and I don’t think there is anyplace in the Bible that states that. What proves Jesus correct is the manner in which the Bible says he is correct, and in this, there are 3 standards that I can quickly think of. 1. Jesus fulfilled some 70 to 300 prophecies of the Old Testament or Hebrew scriptures. 2. God himself spoke in a voice from heaven in front of multiple witnesses at two times, at the Baptism, and at the Transfiguration. 3. Jesus said to believe in him if only from the healing miracles, which was also a fulfillment of Hebrew scriptures, such as giving the blind sight.

    Isaiah 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. Isaiah 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

    In contrast to Jesus, 1. Paul fulfills 2 Old Testament prophcies that condemn Paul, and Paul fulfills none that endorse him. 2. Paul does not have 2 witnesses for him, his companions on the road to Damascus in the wilderness are admitted to have heard and seen nothing of importance, and they do not testify. 3. The miracles attributed to Paul do not prove he was sent by Jesus, but Jesus specifically warned that false prophets to come would do “signs and wonders”. Paul explicitly said that his “signs and wonders” were proof that he was accepted by the Holy Spirit in Acts, but that is not the standard of proof according to Jesus.

    If you discount all the evidence from Jude that it could not apply to Paul, because Paul was not named, then you might as well rip the book of Jude out of the Bible. You did not list what my methodology was. But you apply it unevenly. For if you have the right to apply Jude prophetically to me, when Jude was speaking of things that had already happened, then it applies to Paul, too, and far more strongly, because Jude does not have 21 applications to me, but it does have 21 applications to Paul. So, you either have to admit that Jude applies to Paul, because you think it applies to me, or you have to admit it can’t apply to anyone. Either way, it proves my arguments correct. Furthermore, you want to sweep away all 21 of my proofs by using broad strokes, without dealing with the evidence and asking, “Hey, does this apply to Paul, or not”? No, you just reject evidence, and that is not a truthful way of arguing; it is woefully intellectually dishonest.

    Lastly, you heap abuse upon intelligence. What more do I need to say? If you refuse intelligent discussion, then why should I bother to continue to try to have one with you? Instead, this means you are applying the words “willfully ignorant” to yourself. I pity you.

  22. You can keep preaching suicidal Demonic Paul, (to die is gain) and I’ll keep preaching Godly Jesus.

    Matthew 13:8
    Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop–a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

    Mark 10:29“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for My sake and for the gospel 30 will fail to receive a hundredfold in the present age— houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and fields, along with persecutions— and to receive eternal life in the age to come.

    John 10:10
    King James Bible
    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

  23. I deleted your last comment. I will not let you continue to falsely accuse me without evidence. Such is harassment and abuse.

    If you are bored and want to continue talking, you can try to deal with, and refute if you can, (which means to try to prove wrong) the actual evidence I have presented in the article.

    1. “Great peace have they who love Your Law: and nothing shall offend them” (Psalm 119:165).

      “For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is hostile to God; for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can be” ( Romans 8:6,7)

    1. Unknown. The people have to rise up and buy it. They are. But the shops are sold out. And I can no longer fix the bottle necks as I once tried to do.

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