Paul admits to Timothy, that Timothy knows that all of Asia turned away from him.
2 Timothy 1:15 This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
I always found the following verse very curious, why would the Holy Spirit stop Paul from preaching in Asia?
Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
Acts 16:1 shows that this happened when Paul was traveling with Timothy, that’s why Timothy knows this.
These are two verses from two books that provide two witnesses that Asia turned against Paul, as Paul admitted to Timothy.
And yet, Revelation is to the 7 Churches — in Asia! So they only turned away from Paul, and did not turn away from Christianity.
Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
Now, With all of Asia rejecting Paul, and with Jesus addressing the seven Churches in Asia, and even pointing out their faults… If Paul were a true Apostle, Jesus would surely take the time to rebuke them for rejecting Paul.
But the opposite happens. Jesus said they did good to reject false apostles, and that their fault is to tolerate the teachings of Paul, specifically, that it’s ok to eat things sacrificed to idols!
To Ephesus: Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
To Pergamos: Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Twice this is said, exposing as bad the teaching that it’s ok to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
To Thyatira: Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
This exposes Paul, because Paul teaches people that it is ok to “eat things sacrificed unto idols”.
1 Corinthians 8:4-12
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
Paul again, on the subject:
Romans 14:14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
Romans 14:20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean…”
In these first passages, Paul says it’s ok to eat food sacraficed to idols, as long as a weak Christian does not see you, lest you cause them to stumble.
But then Paul changes his tune, and becomes far more radical. In 1 Timothy, Paul is so strong about this, that if you “abstain from certain foods”, it’s a demonic teaching so bad it’s as if you have “abandoned the faith”. Paul’s faith.
1 Timothy 4:4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods…”
But as we saw in Revelation, and by the Apostles, the point is clear to avoid food sacrificed to idols:
Acts 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Acts 21:25 New International Version (NIV)
25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”
If you believe in Paul, then Paul was supposed to teach the Acts 15 decision to the Gentiles. Not only did Paul never quote it, Paul taught against it, and was condemned by Jesus in Revelation 2 about that very teaching.
A practical application for us today: As far as I’m aware, there are no “temples to Diana” where they give out free food.
I don’t eat Halal food. Muslim food. Muslim food is dedicated to Allah.
“In addition to the direction, permitted animals should be slaughtered upon utterance of the Islamic prayer Bismillah “in the name of God”.” “The requirement to invoke God’s name is a must.”
Halal products are derived from animals and/or poultry that have been prepared according to Islamic law under the following statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar”
“The slaughterer must say the name of God before making the cut.
The name of God is said in order to emphasise the sanctity of life and that the animal is being killed for food with God’s consent.”
For more on Paul:
Did not The Lord say ” all food is clean to Peter that has been prayed over and offered up to the most high in the name of the Lord”?
Acts 10. This may or may not indicate that it is ok to eat Bacon. It could have just been an example that the gospel is to go to the gentiles. But it is not saying it’s ok to eat food sacrificed to idols. Peter reaffirmed that it was NOT ok to eat food sacrificed to idols, a mere 5 chapters later, Acts 15.
There is much error involved with the attack on Paul. I have already spent some time looking that the 24 complaints of
jesuswordsonly.com/, and there seems to be inordinate animus against Paul, to such an extent that they ignore the powerful adoration of Christ that Paul insists on teaching, and how Paul extends the doctrine that Jesus first began with, which was “FAITH” in Him for eternal life.
And, I’ve only just begun. They are so far from reality that their hatred comes gushing out immediately, which blinds them to the foregoing. Nobody taught as well and as deeply as Paul, and he merely expands on THE Gospel of salvation, that is shared in the Gospels.
I thought it would take at least a month, but it now appears to be a simple matter of lack of study by these folks. Reading scripture is NOTHING without the teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit.
In fact, NOBODY can discern Scripture (things of the Spirit of God) unless they are connected to the Spirit of God through true faith in Jesus Christ as the ONLY way to attain eternal life.
So far these folks sound a lot like the Pharisees who are ready to lynch anybody who fights against their “works programs” which they disguise as required obedience to God in order to take part in attaining their own salvation, instead of obediently doing good works BECAUSE of what Christ did for them. Total confusion of blind guides, so far, from what I see, and possibly non belief, since they don’t understand that the very verses they quote about doing the Father’s will BEGINS WITH BELIEVING IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE, AS THE AUTHOR & FINISHER OF THEIR FAITH.
Saul / Paul was the link between the Jews and the Gentiles and, as a repentant Pharisee, showed what could be achieved by those Jews who accepted that Jesus was the Christ.
Anyone who rejects Paul rejects the Epistles, The Acts of The Apostles and also St.Luke’s synoptic Gospel; ergo they are rejecting most of the witness-based New Testament, as opposed to the Book of Revelation, which is subject to numerous different interpretations.
Did not the Lord say ” all food id clean to Peter that has been prayed
over and offered up to the the most high in the name of the Lord”?
Their is no false apostle going to continually glorify Jesus Christ! They heap praise upon theirselves, Paul always refers to the Lord Jesus Christ even i n his own weakness . and infirmities , declaring when he is weak the the Lord appears strong! Also in Peters vision the Lord warned him to call nothing unclean that He has cleansed. Your theory nullifys the basic principal of faith! If you think you can keep the laws , good luck ! The whole reason He sent His son was to bring grace in time of need when we break the law we are still forgiven! Paul never taught you don’t need the law but rather , when you fail to keep it, theirs still hope through the shed blood of Jesus Christ!
Also your comment regarding Asia, Christ was rejected in His home town, does that mean He was not Christ? Absolutely not! Plus the Lord Hisself said as the world hates me it will hate you also!
Yes, Christ was rejected in his home town, as you reject 2/3 of my point. My argument is NOT that since Paul was rejected in Asia, then we should reject Paul, too, because I’m not pointing to Asia as the basis of our faith. I’m pointing to Jesus. Jesus rejected Paul, in Revelation 2.
The argument is, Asia rejected Paul. Then Jesus said, “Well done Asia”, but because a few of you still hold to some of the teachings of that wicked one, such as it being ok to eat food sacrificed to idols, you need to repent of that.
Another note the Holy Spirit has a time and reason for everything! He turned Joesph into Egypt to spare His Son, very well good have stopped Paul at that time to spare his life! The very definition of Apostle is the sent one! Meaning your sent where and when the Lord directs!
Jim, good points here, and well taken.
This is so far out of reality that it is absurd to even comment. But, since I have, what part of the New Testament should I cut out of the approved text the King James 1611 scholars so diligently and prayerful gave us as the Word of God. Your discernment is in question. Do you still believe the earth is a ball?
I don’t think you should cut out any text. The texts written by Paul testify against him. They appear to be included for the express purpose to test us, as indicated in Deuteronomy 13.
Deuteronomy 13 King James Version (KJV)
13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;
3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
With all due respect Jason, this false teaching must stop. Hopefully, this will cause you to pray and probe deeper.
Do you agree that God has FINAL authority over everything that happens? If He does not, He is not God.
If you agree with this, based on this irrefutable truth please explain to all of us who disagree with your teaching, why God, who promised that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth, would give thumbs up to a man who He knows to be a false apostle, to write 14 (or 15 if Hebrews is counted in and now you say also 2 Peter) to be included in His only written revelation to lost humanity?
If your teaching is true, God INTENTIONALLY misled millions of Christians for centuries and allowed destructive false doctrines in His holy Word.
In doing so, God WILFULLY blended light and darkness; included the lies of the devil with His truth, hence creating confusion; hindered the growth of the body of Christ into maturity to “walk as He walked.” In essence, God literally shot Himself in the foot.
No Jason God did not allow false doctrines in His only written revelation. The teaching you have endorsed cannot be of God.
If you still think so, please explain to us how you understand this?
Jason; the same spirit which discredits the Scriptures and deceived millions of men and women by creating mormonism, jehovah witnesses, the way, christian science and dozens of other cults, is the same evil spirit which has inspired the teachers whom you trust.
In His perfect love.
You are asking a question several times, that is answered directly in the verses I quoted just above. “Why would God let Paul into the Bible?” Deuteronomy 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Because God is testing you, to see if you love God!
This was a warning about the land beast the false prophet and other false who I believe to be a demon influencing apostate Israel
13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived
And yes, the earth is a globe. Actually, I was thinking of exposing flat earthers next…
Very telling of you. Please try, many have become awakened to this truth by trying to do just the same.
I will pay you $1000.00 if you prove curvature over any body of water. Hint, water is always level in any container. Ocean, lake, pond…etc. Game on Bro.
I can use the $1000.
Here is my proof that the earth is NOT flat.
First, here is a video, for visualization purposes, of the topic at hand; it’s a video of the sun moving in a circle above the earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiOhsKAR6OY
Note, this model is wrong, because the reality is that half the earth is lit at any given time, not a small circle. How a single light would light up exactly half the map at a time, is another big problem, and proof that the flat earth model is very wrong, but I want to focus on the angle the sun would be, above the earth, at the middle of the night between sunrise and sunset, and also the position of the sun in the sky at sunrise and sunset, from any point on the tropic of cancer, in summer.
Let me know at what number I lose you, and why, and why you either don’t understand, or why you disagree, and I will do my best to try to explain in case I’m not clear.
1. The tropic of cancer is 22,859 miles long, in a circle, this is the circumfrence: Length of the Tropic on 11 December 2015, at 23°26’14?N is 36,788 kilometres (22,859 mi). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic_of_Cancer
2. The topic of cancer is the path that the sun makes directly over the earth during summer, where the sun is directly overhead, or at a right angle to the earth, ie, straight up. (In the winter in the northern hemisphere, the line becomes the tropic of capricorn, where it is then summer below the equator.) (In fall and spring, the sun makes it’s journey directly over the equator.)
3. According to the flat earth theory, the sun is 3000 miles up. Many flat earthers say the sun is 3000 miles up.
4. Due to very simple geometry, we can calculate the position of the sun in the sky on the flat earth model.
6. Calculate the diameter of the tropic of cancer: Go here: http://www.onlineconversion.com/circlesolve.htm Put in 22,859 in the circumfrence line. See the diameter is: 7276 miles.
7. The diameter would give us the sun’s position in the sky, in summer, from a point on the tropic of cancer, at the middle of the night, and shows the sun would still be above the horizon not below it, due to the sun being in a position described by a right triangle with a height of 3000 miles, a length of 7276 miles, which gives an angle above the horizon which we can calculate here: http://www.mathportal.org/calculators/plane-geometry-calculators/right-triangle-calculator.php Put in leg a = 3000. leg b = 7276 Select for “angle a” on the right. See the angle is 22.4071 degrees. This never happens, so the flat earth model is WRONG.
8. The position of the sun in the sky at sunset, in summer, from a point on the tropic of cancer, would be even higher. To find this number, we simply have to find the length of the side of a square in this circle, as follows in the picture here: http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.04/bob1.html
The math of this trangle is very simple, the diameter is the square root of 2 if the length is 1. So, the square root of 2 is 1.414.
So, the ratio calculation is: 7276 is to x as 1.41 is to 1. x = 5126.
9. So the angle of the sun above the horizon, at sundown and sunset, from any point on the tropic of cancer, in the summer, would be a triangle with values: 3000 high, 5126 long, thus creating an angle of: 30.3 degrees. This never happens, so the flat earth model is EVEN MORE WRONG.
10. In other words, on the flat earth model, you would expect, and predict, that the sun would disappear, and “fade away” and get smaller and darker, at a point in the sky, that is 30 degrees above the horizon from any point on the tropic of cancer, during summer. This never happens. Flat earth model is thus PROVEN WRONG.
11. Even worse, the sun would be even higher in the sky, if you lived north of the tropic of cancer, inside the circle, such as any person in the USA, during summer, the sun’s position of “fade away” at sunset, and “fade in” at sunrise, would be even higher than 30 degrees above the horizon, because you would be inside that circle, and thus closer to the sun, with a shorter base of the triangle.
If this does not convince you that the flat earth is a hoax, then point out which point you disagree with, or which point you could not follow, and explain WHY you disagree with it, or WHY you don’t understand it.
I’m happy to try to explain this proof in more detail.
So you can not prove it is curving by any experiment and have to use convoluted math formulas. Nasa would love you. No money yet. I want a real-time live repeatable and demonstratable proof of curvature.
Like a laser. No more hints. No more silly math either.
MARC P Wasson: Since when is basic freshman High School Geometry “convoluted math”? Forget the math. View the flat earth video. With the sun moving around. The sun would never set; you would always see the sun. I just did math to show you how high the sun would be in the sky, 22 to 30 degrees above the horizon, or more. The math is not even important; you would still always see the sun if the earth was flat. We don’t. So the earth is not flat.
Seems impossible for anyone to “prove” flat or round earth. Seems like lots of evidence for flat, but about zero for globe. Who can “prove” the earth is a 1,000 mph spinning globe hurtling thru space @60,000mph? NASA is a money sucking farce. Who can we believe?
I like you already. Jason will take a while.
God says earth is stationary and NEVER moves in 50 Bible verses.Nowhere in The Bible does it say Earth moves…but in dozens of verses it says the sun and moon and stars move.The fact earth never moves destroys everything science claims .There is no word “planet” or Universe in The Bible (KJV over 30 yrs old).there are no planets and there is no universe,no solar system.If you can prove this wrong im all ears.
The average educated American knows about 25,000 English words. There are 171,476 words in The Oxford English Dictionary. There are 14,564 different words used in the Bible. https://www.artbible.info/concordance/ The Bible does mention constellations, heavens, and signs in the sky.
I smell a Hebrew Roots (HR) radical afoot.
The most ridiculous statements I’ve seen from the Hebrew Roots movement is that God’s name must be pronounced absolutely correctly, otherwise, we are worshipping false Gods. This is crazy. God himself went and confounded the languages of the nations in Ancient Babylon, so I think God knows all the different languages and dialects and different pronunciations of his name, no matter what language it’s translated into. Wheher Yeshua, Joshua, Jesus, or “Hay -soos” in Spanish, or any other language, to claim that God would not recognize his own name, means they worship a very tiny very limited God, indeed. That’s not the creator of the Universe to me.
Good reply. I was mostly kidding and sorry if I might have offended you. However, give me a call instead of all this text crap. I knew you before you went dark as I bought silver from you and your mom from time to time. I would also like to hear your take on the flat earth. I’m not a flat earther per say but I do know it ain’t a ball. My phone number is 805-901-6104-m call me.
There is no universe,were not in a Universe
To save us both a lot of time, if you still think that NASA or anyone landed on the moon (Gods night light-read Gen 1) then there is no basis from my experience for you to conceive Gods Biblical Cosmos. Sorry, just the way the brain works. Cognitive dissidence? Go study and research moon landings first.
So the Holy Spirit stops Paul from entering Asia but still allows Paul to preach elsewhere? Do you see how ridiculous you statement is?
If Paul was a false prophet he would of been stopped preaching everywhere if this was the reason why he was stopped from going to Asia
Jason I have been following you for years and respect you a lot but you are much smarter than this and are taking things to literal
Why would Paul be stopped from preaching everywhere if he was false? You assume God would prematurely pull up the one who sowed the tares. No. Deuteronomy 13 shows the purpose of the false apostles; to test us.
“taking things too literal”. That is possible. However, we are directly commanded to “believe it not” in this case. That does not seem to leave room for a “spiritual” interpretation where we are somehow supposed to believe it.
Why would Jesus warn about false teachers and prophets, if God/Holy Spirit wasnt going to allow them to not only preach, but also do signs, miracles, healings and cast out demons in His name. And they believed they were doing His work up until Judgement Day, until surprise! “I never knew you.”
Jason Incase you didn’t notice I did reply to your two reply’s from my website
Seriously ? YOU are questioning why God would do something in a certain way ? ” Your ways are not My ways.”
Luke wrote the book of acts if you believe that Luke was filled with the holy sprit and I think that you do wouldn’t you think that the holy sprit would of instructed Luke to expose Paul as a false prophet if he was one
Paul is exposed as a false Apostle in Acts. They just do it indirectly, not directly.
So why would they not do it directly when they did others?
Matthew 13:24-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”
I don’t have a comment regarding Paul, today is the first I’ve heard of the matter and I will look into it. You have brought up several scriptures and interesting points that have kindled my interest. That aside, I would like to comment on the flat earth subject. I’m not familiar with the details of the flat earth model and your math dazzled me a bit. I’m sure it’s spot-on, but it would take me a while to grasp it. Anyway, my argument against a flat earth takes an observational approach. Despite my lack of familiarity with the official flat earth model, at face value I see several deficiencies in the concept. Here are my questions for proponents of a flat earth:
1. By what mechanism are the ocean tides produced in the flat earth model? If a verifiable tidal force somehow pushes the water, then by what means is the tide or that force reversed?
2. How can a lunar eclipse occur in the flat earth model?
3. By what mechanism do the constellations change their observed positions in the sky with the progression of the seasons?
4. Why are the constellations seen in the upper northern latitudes different from the ones seen in the lower southern latitudes?
5. Where is the center of the land mass in the flat earth model? If the arctic and antarctic regions are the northern and southern extremes then where are the eastern and western extremes?
6. The sun puts out a tremendous amount of energy so it must have considerable mass. If it is supported by a dome then by what mechanism does it change position throughout the day?
7. If the earth were flat then distances between two geographical points would be constant (two-dimensional). Stockholm, Sweden is directly east of Juneau, Alaska. So why is it that a jet flying from Juneau to Stockholm can cut significant distance off of the flight by flying over northern Greenland?
My comments to the proponents of a flat earth:
The above questions are easily answered and understood using the global earth model.
JOB 26:7 “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.”
The “north” is that part of God’s glorious creation seen as the northern constellations. The “empty place” is outer space. The earth is supported by, or “hangs,” from “nothing.” The earth is held in place (in it’s orbit around the sun) by the force of gravity, another component of God’s creation.
An earlier post stated that the surface of water is always level. On a local scale that’s true, but on the planetary scale it’s different and the dynamics of gravity come into play. The force of gravity holds the oceans in their basins all around the globe. The surface of the ocean, just like the surface of the earth, is curved, but the curvature is so slight that an observer can’t perceive it on a local level. However, on a planetary scale it quite evident …
JOB 26:13 “By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.”
The crooked serpent is the northern constellation Draco which cannot be observed from Australia due to the curvature of the earth. Likewise, here in the United States we are unable to see the constellation Crux, the southern cross.
I could think of more questions as could anyone else who really wanted to contemplate this subject. For instance … Where is the evidence of edges on the flat earth? If an ocean is at any part of the edge then what boundary contains the water? If the oceans are all contained within land boundaries then there must be a continuous land mass surrounding the oceans, which is impossible because all of the continents have been circumnavigated. And why does the sun never rise in locations above the arctic circle during the northern hemisphere winter? Again, this is easily understood using the global model. In the flat earth model there would have to be a mechanism to change the regular movement of the sun. There are many problems with the flat earth concept which are easily understood in terms of the global/solar system model. By the way, where do shooting stars fit into the flat earth model? And, what’s the flat earth explanation for auroras? Gotta go, thanks.
Doug Pilgrim, Brilliant series of arguments. I think you should win the $1000 offered. But it’s not my $1000. Contact MARC P Wasson
31st July 2019 at 4:26 pm — Edit
Very telling of you. Please try, many have become awakened to this truth by trying to do just the same.
I will pay you $1000.00 if you prove curvature over any body of water. Hint, water is always level in any container. Ocean, lake, pond…etc. Game on Bro. /// He left his phone number, too: MARC P Wasson
31st July 2019 at 4:37 pm — Edit
Good reply. I was mostly kidding and sorry if I might have offended you. However, give me a call instead of all this text crap. I knew you before you went dark as I bought silver from you and your mom from time to time. I would also like to hear your take on the flat earth. I’m not a flat earther per say but I do know it ain’t a ball. My phone number is 805-901-6104-m call me.
I recommend these outstanding vids everywhere and give away dvds proving Earth is Flat.see “200 PROOFS EARTH IS NOT A SPINNING BALL” by Eric Dubay (he answers everyone of your questions.see “40 Bible Verses That Prove Earth Is Flat” and “70 Bible Verses That Prove Earth Is Flat” there are over 144 of them.Over 50 Bible Verses state the earth NEVER moves.Earth is circular but sits on a square foundation with pilars (all described in Genesis).The earth is surrounded by Antarctica and huge ice glaciers hold in the water.Above earth is the dome firmament also known as the Van Allen Radiation belts which no man or machine has or will ever penetrate.It is a short distance up and above it is water.”God divided the water above from the water below.”the dome also prevents water,jets and ships from going over the edge.There is no gravity…only things heavier than air.Helium is lighter so it rises.Theory of gravity is disproven.Above the water above us is Gods domain.Earth is decribed as being like a footstool and we like grasshoppers.Earth is definitly sitting on pilars and definitly hung on nothing.But”space”is water.Earth is completly surrounded by water.NASA is 100% fraudulent..selling adults fairy tales for hundreds of billions in tax dollars.All their space vids,planet pix,outer space satellites and space station pix and vids are CGI computer generated images.Cartoons for adults.the moon landing was filmed in a Disney lot.Absolute proof of all im saying is in The Bible and on you tube.Satan wants us thinking were less than a grain of sand in a universe full of more Universes when in fact we are indeed Gods special creation ,he watches us and we are in very close proximity.the masses are force fed GLOBALISM and EVOLUTION 24/7/365 from birth to death by the power that owns and rules this Earth (The Devil).Both qualify as being Satanic religions
The fact that the sun sets below the horizon, while humans on earth can always see the sun at all times on the other side of the globe, proves the earth is a globe, and not flat. Call someone on the other side of the earth sometime, and ask them if they can see the sun.
Thanks for the compliment, Jason. I don’t claim any entitlement as it appears Marc’s offer was directed specifically to you and I’m not sure I really proved anything anyway. While I’m confident in my understanding of physics and celestial dynamics, I certainly feel that Marc and everyone else is entitled to their viewpoint and expressing it, as long as there is not blatant disrespect or infringement on the rights of others. As I see it, we’re all friends here. Thanks for this platform, Jason. I’ll post again in a couple weeks to render my opinion on Paul.
I had not seen this particular lunatic rendering before I wrote you my response to your ludicrous attack on Paul which you claimed was substantiated by Jude! Now, here you are claiming the same from two other books, Acts and Revelation, again taking these also out of context and grossly misapplying them.
Clearly, you will not listen to the soul-nurturing advice of others who have exhorted you to cease this madness, thus proving the truth of another part of Scripture NOT written by Paul but by Solomon.
” As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.”
— Prov. 26:11
It could not be more obvious that your understanding of Scripture is not only exceedingly superficial but outright wrong, hence your hatred of Paul. Do you understand that God is in control of your very breath and that your grieving of the Holy Spirit has reached to the highest level?
It is clear to this observer who has spent an entire career successfully observing and analyzing all kinds of people, saved and unsaved alike, that you are under the influence of a demon. Since we know that a Christian cannot be demon-possessed because indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the clear conclusion and explanation for your blasphemy is that you are not a Christian at all but a professor only and therefore not Holy Spirit-indwelt. Hence, your repeated attacks on the Word of God.
God help you and protect those deceived by your evil screed.
The first time I encountered a man online who I thought was demon possessed is when the man was claiming to be Jesus himself. I thought I could apply a test from Paul. 1 Corinthians 12:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. So I asked him if he could say it. He could and did. This perplexed me. I’ll do the same for you: Jesus Christ is Lord. That is thus a Pauline proof that I’m not demon-possessed. So, of course, I think it’s a bogus test. But that does not prove I’m demon possessed. It just means that Paul is a liar if you think I’m demon possessed. But look deeper. That is my main argument, Jesus is our Lord, not Paul. You, in reply, keep telling me I’m not listening to scripture. But I’m sharing you the scriptures that expose Paul, and you have literally no rebuttal other than assuming I’m evil and demon possessed because I follow Jesus? Do you have any idea how insane you sound? It’s interesting you mention “evil screed”. This brings to mind the Apostles creed. It makes no mention of Paul whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of the saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
Mr. Hommel, you should stick with Gold and Silver investing and be real careful taking to much of his Minerals & Vitamins for Health as it appears that your mental condition is an unhealthy one especially as you give no credit to Mr. Douglas J. Del Tondo’s (Esq.*) book that you obviously read to come up with this credulous statement.
Mr. Del Tondo is another pretentious fool who exposes his spiritual nakedness while attempting to depict the Apostle Paul as opposed to our risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Del Tondo faults Paul for not quoting the Lord’s sayings from the Gospels, whereas all of Paul’s sayings are revelation from the Lord, guiding His people in salvation and relationship with Him.
Del Tondo is anti Christ, he does not see the Lord Jesus Christ or confess His coming in the flesh.
In all scripture specifically 2 Corinthians 1-13 states in verse 1 “Paul, and apostle of Jesus Christ BY THE WILL OF GOD, and Timothy our brother.”
And as all scripture is written by God through man (2 Timothy 3: 16-17) why would anyone believe that God would have Paul write 13 books of the New Testament (some say only 8) is he was not a true Apostle?
Later in Colossians 2:8 Paul stated; “Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.”
In Titus 1:7-9 Paul instructed fellow elder Titus to be real careful before ordaining anyone.
So Mr. Hommel, once again please stick with Gold and Silver investing and be real careful taking to much of his Minerals & Vitamins for Health as it appears that your mental condition regarding scripture is an unhealthy one.
*Esq is an abbreviation ascribed to one who practices law in the United States. I say LPP should replace the Esq as LPP means Licensed Practicing Parasite often referring to an attorney at law which I believe in this case is quite fitting.
1.) 2 Timothy 3:16 – Wow! Imagine that…2000+ years of inspired scripture preserved by God & Jesus Christ for us only to find out…thanks to you Jason, that God & Jesus were wrong and 14 of those books are written by an imposter.
2.) 1 Corinthians 15:8&10
3.) Jason Hommel – A little bible counsel for you. Matthew 7:15-23; Matthew 24:11; 2 Peter 2:1-3, 10. Sometimes we all get to thinking more of ourselves than we should. But when you don’t fully grasp something its a good time to wait, be humble, and realizing that with time the truth will reveal itself. Its not a time to start pontificating and speculating about such precious. Better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. I don’t know where you got these ideas from…just came to ya, in a nightmarish dream, whatever, but you really need to wake up and give your head a shake while you still have control of it.
In conclusion, I’m sorry that the gentleman (Dr. Charters) a few lines up got so worked up and said your were demon possessed… but, to the point… “you yourself are saying it.”
Thanks for the UNSUBSCRIBE link at the bottom of your page I’m afraid you thinking process has tainted my taste for your gold & silver, vitamins, etc., etc.
2 Timothy 3:16 –This is Paul saying this, not God and Jesus. In assuming this is true, you are engaged in circular reasoning, assuming it’s true, when I have already proved that Jesus told us to “believe it not” whatever Paul says.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A8%2C10&version=KJV. Same thing. Paul said this. You can’t use Paul to prove Paul. Especially not when Jesus commanded us to not believe his testimony.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A15-23&version=KJV Paul was a Benjamite, a wolf. https://jesuswordsonly.com/recommendedreading/121-benjamite-wolf-research.html
It was Paul who also “worked iniquity” or “lawlessness” by preaching against the Law.
1 Samuel 8
They called Jesus demon possessed. The servant is not greater than his master. Of course they would do this to me. It’s expected when they cannot refute the arguments of Jesus that expose them.
Besides, this is my argument. Paul could not have seen Jesus, since Jesus said it would not be him. Therefore Paul was inspired by a demon. And there is much evidence of this.
John 14:15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments.”
If you don’t love him follow Paul. If you do however just remember this, Pauls gnostic/mystical “grace” will not save you because he made it up out of thin air. Jesus never taught that or ever even used that word.
I believe Paul was a fraud who promoted Paulianity. Let me share something that completely exposes Paul.
Paul claims to be a Pharisee who learned under Gamaliel and he also claims to be thoroughly trained in the law of his ancestors (Acts 22 verse 3). But look at what he writes in Romans 5 verses 13 to 14 and Romans 7 verse 8 to 9.
Romans 5 verse 13 to 14 – “to be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.”
Romans 7 verse 8 to 9 – “But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.”
Let’s focus on the problems with Romans 5 verse 13 to 14 mentioned above.
Laws of God existed prior to Moses. Here is an example.
Genesis 26 verse 5 – “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.”
So laws of God existed prior to Moses. But Laws of God were elaborated and appeared in written form during the time of Moses and later through the prophets.
During the time of Noah, we also know that Noah knew about clean and unclean animals.
Genesis 7 verse 1 to 4 – “The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”
Before Moses, people were well aware of what sin is.
Genesis 4 verse 7 – “If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Genesis 18 verse 20-21 – “Then the LORD said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous, that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.”
Genesis 20 verse 6 – “Then God said to him in the dream, “Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.”
Joseph was well aware of what sin is which can be seen in Genesis 39 verse 9.
Genesis 39 verse 9 – “No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?”
Apostle Paul (who claims to be well trained in the law of his ancestors) disregarded the fact that God judged Cain for murder, created the flood during the time of Noah in order to destroy the wicked people, destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah during the time of Abraham, etc.
So Sin was charged prior to God giving the law to Moses.
Let’s now focus on Romans 7 verses 8 to 9.
Assyrians at Nineveh lived without the law. They couldn’t even differentiate between their right hands and their left hands.
Jonah 4 verse 11 – “And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”
So they lived according to their own understanding. But God found their actions wicked. That is why God sent Prophet Jonah to warn them. Assyrians at Nineveh realize the truth and they repented. So God forgave them.
So there is sin even if there is no law. Spiritually, what makes a human different from a wild animal is the existence of God’s laws. God’s laws make human beings realize what is right and what is wrong. Otherwise, human beings will be no different from a wild animal since they don’t know what is right and wrong.
We also know this through the life of Josiah in the Bible. As you know, Law of Moses got disappeared for a while and it was found in 18th year of the rule of Josiah. When Law of Moses was read in front of Josiah, he tore his clothes. As you know, that was when Josiah realized the sins of his ancestors and his people. Without Law of Moses, Josiah didn’t realize the sins that were happening.
When Josiah realized the truth through Law of Moses, he did everything according to Law of Moses until the day he died (2 Kings 22 to 2 Kings 23, 2 Chronicles 34 verses 14 to 33).
Philippians 3 verse 4 to 6 – “If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.”
Acts 22 verse 3 – “I am a Judean, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. I studied under Gamaliel and was thoroughly trained in the law of our ancestors. I was just as zealous for God as any of you are today.”
Paul says how he was faultless as for the righteousness based on the law and how he was zealous for God. These are not true. This is because Saul (later Paul) is also responsible for the murder of Stephen (Acts 7 verses 51 to 60) and the persecution of the people who believed in Jesus Christ and kept the commandments of Old Testament.
Jesus Christ also came to this earth to give eternal life for many prophets and other righteous people who were murdered at Jerusalem for God (2 Kings 21 verse 16, Matthew 23:37-39, Luke 13:34-35, Matthew 27:52) and also for the people who believe in him.
So the eternal life also came as a result of man’s righteousness. Not solely based on God’s grace.
In the letter to Galatians, Paul says this.
Galatians 1 verse 8 – “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!”
Paul also mentions how all the law is fulfilled in one command: Love thy neighbor as yourself in Galatians 5 verse 14.
But Paul’s teachings differ from Jesus Christ’s teachings.
Jesus Christ taught that all the Law and the Prophets hang on two commandments (listed below).
Matthew 22 verses 37 to 40 – “Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
In 1 Corinthians 8 verse 8, Paul mentions how food does not bring us near to God. Paul disregards dietary laws in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. In Leviticus 11 verse 44, God clearly says “I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy.”
Paul’s letters are confusing and it contradicts with God’s words on several occasions which prove the fact that Paul (or Saul) was not a man of God.
I borrowed the below information from Trumpet Call on youtube with few information inserted by myself.
“It is hard for you to kick against the goads.” (Acts 26:14b) – Do you really think Jesus while speaking to Paul in Hebrew tongue (“Aramaic”) is quoting an Olympian god Dionysus from ‘The Bacchae’ written by Euripides?
Has any flat earthers bothered to book a flight from let’s say Australia to South Africa and the see if it was ~5,000 miles (globe) or ~10,000 mi (flat). It would seem to be a very easy thing to test. I mean, you can even do it cheaper and visit flightaware.com and watch a flight. Very observable, very reproducible, very simple.
Peter affirms Paul in 2 Peter 3:15
Question, what is required of us under the New Covenant (Luke 22:20 Jeremiah 31:31). The sabbath, holy days, capital punishment, tithing/taxing, cleanings?? What was nailed to the cross, what was not?
Jesus was nailed to the Cross. Paul lied.
So give me a quick list of what is required of Christians living in this age?
If you have any shirts that are made of cotton and polyester, you’d better throw them out Leviticus 19:19.
I hate cotton poly clothes. Now I know why. But it’s actually wool and linen, right?
Are you ready to unleaven your premises before April 8th (Nissan 15)? No yeast until April 15th!!
I used to do all this stuff years ago in the old Worldwide Church of God.
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